Curse

The Josip · Jun 02, 2010, 12:03 PM // 12:03

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

Judging by how much chaos storm is mentioned here, I must be missing something. Isn't it just a pulsing aoe doing 25dps for a few seconds before scattering everything out of the bodyblock that your warrior worked so hard to set up? Where is the allure coming from?

I was asking myself the same. I tried Chaos Storm once after update and everything just scattered. Which totally destroyed the rest of my build.

I'm too lazy to test again so if someone can explain.

Lopezus · Jun 02, 2010, 12:27 PM // 12:27

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Practice is when you find out that sometimes you miss DD because hex is gone and you thought it would be there, or target dies at the moment you were about to use DD. Practice is when you find out that sometimes you miss with Power Drain, that in practice enemy doesn't cast skill just when you want it, or enemy has 1/4 skill, or Frustration has been removed, or foe died and new foe has no Frustration hex on it, or your ping is too bad to do this or there's server-side lag etc. Practice is when you find out that even if you're good with TABing, it's never going to be perfect. Practice is when target is half-dead and you can decide between wasting Frustration on it and possibly not interrupting it a single time, or just waste time watching it die.

From different topic, but that's how see PI, on paper it looks amazing but for me it's too conditional and seems that it require far more skill then i have to use it effectivly, you have 8 skills on your bar, but to gain full advantage of PI i must dedicate to it use on recharge, becasue using it as other interupt on my bar in different builds, that means using it when oportunity arise seems like waste of elite skill.

maxxfury · Jun 02, 2010, 01:59 PM // 13:59

Chaos storm, the mes version of ROJ, in a GREAT attribute line, and looks pretty :P. Requires a little skill in agro control..or just a kd lock.

Celestina · Jun 02, 2010, 02:00 PM // 14:00

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Originally Posted by maxxfury

Chaos storm, the mes version of ROJ, in a GREAT attribute line, and looks pretty :P. Requires a little skill in agro control..or just a kd lock.

Wouldn't the new shared burden work quite well with it as well?

Lanier · Jun 02, 2010, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by Celestina

Wouldn't the new shared burden work quite well with it as well?

It would work better if they were in the same attribute lines. I can't see a Domination and Illusion build being viable if the only reason for using both attributes is to get Shared Burden and Chaos storm in the same build.

I do think that Psychic Instability would be a good skill for snaring an enemy in place inside a chaos storm.

Quail Stomp · Jun 02, 2010, 07:47 PM // 19:47

Chaos storm is not worth taking unless you can kd or snare targets in it. With PI its going to do atleast 100 aoe armor ignoring dmg for a small amount of energy, thats why i take it. If PI gives you a 4 sec aoe kd why would you not bring some aoe dmg?

Cuilan · Jun 02, 2010, 09:04 PM // 21:04

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

Isn't it just a pulsing aoe doing 25dps for a few seconds before scattering everything out of the bodyblock that your warrior worked so hard to set up? Where is the allure coming from?

That's a great thing, it would help to teach the idiot to go damage instead of leeching.

maxxfury · Jun 03, 2010, 01:00 AM // 01:00

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

That's a great thing, it would help to teach the idiot to go damage instead of leeching.

Id have thought it would teach him to use earth shaker or to ask his midlife to bring gdw xD and to not suck....

*your point stands also :P*

cellardweller · Jun 03, 2010, 01:32 AM // 01:32

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

That's a great thing, it would help to teach the idiot to go damage instead of leeching.

Last time I checked 110b warriors (with curse support) are the single highest dps source in the game. I would certainly be pissed off if every time that a MoP ball was setup the mesmer went and scattered them.

maxxfury · Jun 03, 2010, 01:44 AM // 01:44

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

Judging by how much chaos storm is mentioned here, I must be missing something. Isn't it just a pulsing aoe doing 25dps for a few seconds before scattering everything out of the bodyblock that your warrior worked so hard to set up? Where is the allure coming from?

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

Last time I checked 110b warriors (with curse support) are the single highest dps source in the game. I would certainly be pissed off if every time that a MoP ball was setup the mesmer went and scattered them.

100b is actually a spike not a sustainable dps setup for sc's and a warrior woudlnt be balling up in that case. Also it doenst take long to ball up a little and its far from been hard..

And its been stated already that unless you have proper agro control/kd lock that the scattering aoe of chaos storm* isnt the best option..
and who woudl take an aoe nuker bar in a manly way spike team anyway?!....o.O

*insert scattering aoe spell here, tho this isnt GW-agro 101...

cellardweller · Jun 03, 2010, 01:52 AM // 01:52

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Originally Posted by maxxfury

and who woudl take an aoe nuker bar in a manly way spike team anyway?!....o.O

MoP+physicals has a name now??

Lanier · Jun 03, 2010, 02:13 AM // 02:13

I used chaos storm in my e-surge build for a vq today without a snare and I was actually pretty happy with the results. It seems as though people make a big deal about scatter but when I used it today, monsters seemed to stay in it on average for at least 4 turns. The minions did help body block some but there were many other times when monsters would stay in place in chaos storm until they died. And trust me, I don't use a very "fast" team build, so these monsters were not dying very fast. I don't know what experiences other people have had with the skill but I am definitely thinking that I will continue to use it as a reliable source of AoE damage.

maxxfury · Jun 03, 2010, 02:21 AM // 02:21

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

MoP+physicals has a name now??

It has for the longest time...welcome to the sc meta(mop+100b) , or physway...in either case you wont run a mes aoe nuker.. http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Guide:Manly_Spike http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/e...t10432199.html

manly way your tank balls and you tele>100b+ww spike or in physway you buff the balls out of your phys with orders, soh, gdw and faceroll mobs.

If your running a balanced team with a mop and a 100b, then the rest of you team should not have bars that scatter you ball 'you worked sooo hard for'... in the first place. Your better off running an earth shaker...as previously stated if you wanna rock aoe scatter nukes.

/anyway back on topic...eh

cellardweller · Jun 03, 2010, 02:58 AM // 02:58

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Originally Posted by maxxfury

It has for the longest time...welcome to the sc meta , or physway...in either case you wont run a mes aoe nuker..

Still doesn't really answer when you would use CS - if you are running a mes aoe nuker you'd still want to keep the mobs adjacent so you can aoe nuke.

Lets say that you are running with H/H or 2x3H like most people so you don't have a blocker so you're relying on minions to create clusters. When you're lucky enough to get a bunch of bad guys adjacent, I'm just not seeing the attraction throwing out chaos storm for 25 dps for a few seconds when you could get simlar amounts of damage instantly from things like inept, clums, Sig of Clums or WandEye for illusion or WW, shatter Delusions, or Mistrust for dom without the negative sideffect of scattering.

Chthon · Jun 03, 2010, 03:23 AM // 03:23

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

Judging by how much chaos storm is mentioned here, I must be missing something. Isn't it just a pulsing aoe doing 25dps for a few seconds before scattering everything out of the bodyblock that your warrior worked so hard to set up? Where is the allure coming from?

1. You AEcho it for 52DPS, then AP it to cast 2 more, and so on. You might have 4 or 6 storms going at one time.

2. Monsters seem to consider the damage packets too small to deserve a flee response. My experience mirrors Lanier's. They tend to stay in it a good long time, especially melee monsters.

3. Add a snare or KD (hello, PI hero!) to keep them in it even if they do decide they want to leave.

4. Sitting in 2 storms is the equivalent of -12 energy degen. Even with their bonus regen, a few seconds of that is going to drain out many non-ele, non-necro monsters, or at least put them on the path to draining themselves out in short order.

Quail Stomp · Jun 03, 2010, 04:08 AM // 04:08

How would you have any scatter if they are kd for 4 secs, nothing is stopping you from casting ww on a few diff targets while they are down. Im not looking at it as a sc type build but it is viable for most pve areas.

Axel Zinfandel · Jun 03, 2010, 06:54 PM // 18:54

Am I the only one who has never really cared for the meta that is "ball everything up and kill it?". It'd far to hard to set up for my taste :/ I suppose that's why I never play end-game and get bored whenever I reach it lol

But yeah, of course Chaos Storm is good for Tank n' Spank type setups, the same can be said for any AoE DoT out there. Saying it's good for energy degen is pretty laughable considering this is PvE and even IF energy denial was viable, it'd simply be easier to kill.

Cuilan · Jun 03, 2010, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by Quail Stomp

How would you have any scatter if they are kd for 4 secs

A bar may not have both skills.

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

Last time I checked 110b warriors (with curse support) are the single highest dps source in the game. I would certainly be pissed off if every time that a MoP ball was setup the mesmer went and scattered them.

That is a specific build with a specific team set up.

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Originally Posted by Chthon

[*]I'm very impressed with a developmental build I call "Draino." OQdUASBPOvRLQxANBLB2iQBqAHgA

I was wanting to avoid anything AP related, but that's not that bad of a build.

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Originally Posted by Chthon

Haven't tried it yet.

Try them, lazy.

FireWhale · Jun 03, 2010, 09:40 PM // 21:40

btw, frustration-> web of disruption-> drain delusions does work as you would think it does. You can performed a controlled interrupt twice and both are 1/4 cast time spells.

Celestina · Jun 04, 2010, 01:12 AM // 01:12

So,I've spent days trying to figure out how I want my mesmer after this new update, but I can't decide on a elite. Has anyone thoroughly tested Shared Burden to see just how much of a difference it makes in HM? I honestly can't see how a mere 50% reduction would change much, but then again I don't have much experiance with HM outside of missions and the white mantle bounties.